TheSkeptical

  • Subscribe to our RSS feed.
  • Twitter
  • StumbleUpon
  • Reddit
  • Facebook
  • Digg

Saturday, March 12, 2011

Gaffes and Guns (Or, What To Do About Libya?)

Posted on 5:15 AM by Unknown













Last Thursday, our two most important intelligence officials committed an official gaffe - meaning, they blurted out the truth - while testifying before a Senate committee:

Director of National Intelligence James Clapper told a Senate committee on Thursday that he believed Libyan dictator Muammar al-Qaddafi and his regime would prevail in their struggle against opposition forces, that China and Russia pose the greatest threat to the United States, and that Iran has not restarted its nuclear weapons program.

"I just think from a standpoint of attrition that over time, I mean, this is kind of a stalemate back and forth, but I think over the longer term that the regime will prevail," Clapper said to Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-CT) at Thursday's hearing of the Senate Armed Services Committee. The comments so surprised Lieberman that he asked Clapper to confirm them.

"You said you were concerned or thought that in the long run the regime might actually prevail because of its superiority in logistics, weaponry, and the rest. Did I hear you correctly?" Lieberman said.

"Yes, sir," Clapper responded.

Both Clapper and Defense Intelligence Agency Director Ronald Burgess said they believed the opposition could not displace Qaddafi.

"He's in this for the, as he said, long haul," said Burgess. "So right now he seems to have staying power unless some other dynamic changes at this time."


Naturally, this led to calls for Clapper to resign. But it might, more productively, have led people to wonder how we can change the dynamics in Libya so as to favor the Libyan rebels.

Right on cue, the next day Foreign Policy had a post from a former State Department official recollecting how we did just that back in his day, when Libya was fighting an inept and poorly equipped opposition in Chad.

As the world debates how best to stop the slaughter in Libya, it's worth remembering that the United States has successfully countered Muammar al-Qaddafi's military before.

-- snip --

With so much on the agenda of senior officials [in 1983], there was -- by today's standards -- a lot of flexibility given to lower-level experts and operations officers. From our perspective, the Libyan problem was one that the United States could address, within certain political limits. The key point was that we did not want to get out ahead of the French in Chad. Nor did Washington want to inadvertently inherit Chad as "its" problem. We had enough other crises on our plates. Nevertheless, we did not want Qaddafi -- or anyone else, for that matter -- to think that the United States would acquiesce to such aggression without paying a price.

-- snip --

Although today Qaddafi's security forces are fighting a defensive battle on their home turf, there are important similarities to the Chadian events. Chiefly, the United States presumably wants to limit its political commitment, and the nature and type of aid it may consider is also limited. But so are the needs of the Libyan opposition.

Assuming the rebels can achieve at least the level of organization and training of the Chadians, the material and training support can be rudimentary and accomplished quickly by outside experts, from either a government (France comes to mind, since the country has been first off the mark to recognize officially the opposition in Libya) or even a private company.

[TSB note: Oil shipments have continued from Libyan ports controlled by the rebels. Who is getting that oil revenue, and how much of it are they willing to spend to win the jackpot?]

The most obvious military risk to the opposition is from helicopter gunships and possibly aircraft (the accuracy of Libyan bombing is dubious and the military effectiveness minimal, but the effects on civilians can be horrible). The United States provided Stinger missiles to the ragtag Chadian forces with significant effect. Back then, accounting for the missiles was easier given the very small numbers. Today, if Stinger missiles or similar Soviet weapons were deployed to Libyan opposition forces, the risks of loss would be manageable, and providing such missiles would certainly be cheaper and less of a commitment than establishing a no-fly zone. And if Qaddafi's forces summon forth heretofore unseen skill and/or courage, a decision on more elaborate air defense could be made later.

For now, however, let's recognize that there are options for arming and training the Libyan opposition that do not require the massive military and political commitments of a no-fly zone.


White House spokesman Jay Carney has said that it would be "premature" to arm the rebels at this point, because the administration is not yet finished dithering about the matter. Those weren't his exact words.

State Department spokesman Philip Crowley (who gaffed pretty badly himself this week, by the way) pointed out that there is a UN Security Council resolution banning all weapon shipments to Libya. So, we would be risking the legal and moral condemnation of Security Council members such as Russian and China if we helped rebels to obtain arms with which to defend themselves against a tyrannical regime, and, we wouldn't want to do that because ... that would be bad because ... uh, I've lost my train of thought here. What was I saying?

I don't often see much wisdom in Rambo movies, but this nugget from the last one is starting to sound good to me:

Rambo: Are you bringing any weapons?
Professional Do-Gooder: Of course not.
Rambo: You're not changing anything.
Email ThisBlogThis!Share to XShare to FacebookShare to Pinterest
Posted in Libya, Rambo | No comments
Newer Post Older Post Home

0 comments:

Post a Comment

Subscribe to: Post Comments (Atom)

Popular Posts

  • I've Got Pictures Of A U.S. Government Facility (Including Security Countermeasures!)
    Yeah, I've got them right here on the internet. But I'm not violating the prohibition against posting pictures of U.S. Government fa...
  • New Leadership For DS
    Yeah, I'm happy! I hear that there were some other high-level comings and goings today at the State Department, but the one I've bee...
  • I'm Famous, Kind Of
    I'm still a little bit jet lagged while TDY-ing it, and have been staying up much too late at night, surfing the internet in my hotel ro...
  • Peshawar - U.S. Consulate Employees Attacked By Suicide Bomber
    Consumer Notice: This post is certified 100% free of Matters of Official Concern that are not referenced from publicly available sources of ...
  • I'm Hiding From The Cops Under Arrest
    I like a news story with a happy ending : William Velasquez Castillo, an illegal immigrant in Lucedale, Miss., was arrested May 19 by U.S. M...
  • Gitmo "Test Case" Gets a Failing Grade
    A civilian jury in New York has convicted former Guantanamo Bay detainee Ahmed Ghailani on a single charge in connection with the 1998 bomb...
  • I Plan to Sequester Myself Near a River
    I suppose I should be concerned by this panic-inducing headline in the WaPo's Federal Diary: Furloughs likely would exceed 1 million; fe...
  • Google Versus Bing On December 7
    It worked out the way I expected it would.
  • Close GITMO? We've Heard That Song Before
    Last Wednesday, Senator Dianne Feinstein tried to resuscitate a dead political issue by releasing a Government Accountability Office study o...
  • H. R. 1006, Jerusalem Embassy and Recognition Act of 2011, Introduced By Rep. Burton
    Twice a year, every year since 1995, every occupant of the White House has signed a waiver of the Jerusalem Embassy Act (see this ), thereby...

Categories

  • . (1)
  • accountability review board (3)
  • ADE 651 (3)
  • Af/Pak (6)
  • Af/Pk (2)
  • Afghanistan (10)
  • Ahmed Ghailani (1)
  • AIPAC (1)
  • al Qaeda (3)
  • Ambassador Carlos Pascual (2)
  • Ambassador Patricia Hawkins (1)
  • Anna Chapman (1)
  • ATF (1)
  • Aunt Zeituni (2)
  • Barrio Azteca (1)
  • Behring Breivik (1)
  • Beirut (1)
  • benghazi (22)
  • Bing (1)
  • Bureau of Overseas Building Operations (12)
  • Bureau of the Public Debt (1)
  • Burka Woman (1)
  • CIA (1)
  • Ciudad Juarez (2)
  • Cold War History (1)
  • Commission on Wartime Contracting (1)
  • Condoleezza Rice (1)
  • Consulate General Dubai (1)
  • Country Reports on Terrorism (1)
  • D-Day (1)
  • Dar es Salaam (1)
  • Department of Homeland Security (1)
  • Department of State (3)
  • Design Excellence (1)
  • DHS (1)
  • Diamond Jubilee (2)
  • Diplomatic History (3)
  • Diplomatic Security (23)
  • Diplomatic Security Service (4)
  • Dominique Strauss-Kahn (2)
  • Drug Enforcement Administration (1)
  • DSS (1)
  • Eyebrow-Raising Headline (1)
  • Fast and Furious (1)
  • FBI (2)
  • Federation of American Scientists (1)
  • Foreign Relations of the United States (3)
  • Fortress Embassy (23)
  • FRUS (4)
  • Gaddafi (1)
  • Gitmo (5)
  • Gitmo Gang (4)
  • Gitmo North (1)
  • Google (1)
  • GT-200 (1)
  • Guantanamo (1)
  • Herat (2)
  • Hillary Clinton (1)
  • Holy City of Washington (1)
  • Hotel Mazar (1)
  • Human Rights Council (1)
  • Internet Freedom (3)
  • Iraq (1)
  • Israel (1)
  • Jane Loeffler (1)
  • Jared Cohen (1)
  • Jerusalem Embassy Act (1)
  • jihobbyist (1)
  • Julian Assange (1)
  • KAOPOTUS (1)
  • Kingdom of Saudi Arabia (1)
  • KUOPOTUS (1)
  • Lahore (1)
  • Lesley Enriquez Redelfs (2)
  • Library of Congress (1)
  • Libya (29)
  • Lome (1)
  • Making Sense of Jihad (1)
  • Marine Security Guards (1)
  • Mazar-e-Sharif (3)
  • Memorial Day (1)
  • Mexican Drug Wars (4)
  • Mexico (9)
  • Michael Scheuer (1)
  • MSG (1)
  • Nairobi (1)
  • National Film Registry (1)
  • National Security Archive (1)
  • New Embassy Complex (1)
  • Niamey (1)
  • Nigel Farage (1)
  • Niger (1)
  • Northern Distribution Network (1)
  • Norway (1)
  • NPR (1)
  • OBO (5)
  • Office of Overseas Building Operations (1)
  • Office of Overseas Buildings Operations (7)
  • Office of Overseas Schools (1)
  • Office of the Historian (5)
  • Overseas Buildings Operations (2)
  • P.J. Crowley (2)
  • Pakistan (32)
  • Pan Am 103 (2)
  • Political Violence Against Americans (1)
  • President Obama (1)
  • Public Diplomacy (7)
  • Qaddafi (6)
  • Quadrennial Diplomacy and Development Review (QDDR) (1)
  • Queen Elizabeth (2)
  • Rambo (1)
  • Raymond Davis (18)
  • Raymond Ibrahim (1)
  • Rewards for Justice (1)
  • Sanaa (1)
  • SECCA (2)
  • Secret Service Scandal (8)
  • Senator Kerry (1)
  • Sniffex (1)
  • Taliban (1)
  • Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan (1)
  • terrorism (3)
  • The Covert Comic (1)
  • The Time Warp (1)
  • The War Nerd (1)
  • Transitional National Council (1)
  • U.S Consulate Lahore (1)
  • U.S Embassy Mexico (1)
  • U.S. Army (1)
  • U.S. Congress (1)
  • U.S. Consulate General Ciudad Juarez (2)
  • U.S. Consulate Karachi (4)
  • U.S. Consulate Lahore (5)
  • U.S. Consulate Matamoros (1)
  • U.S. Consulate Peshawar Pakistan (4)
  • U.S. Consulate Rio de Janeiro (1)
  • U.S. Consulate Tijuana (1)
  • U.S. Embassy Baghdad DipNote (1)
  • U.S. Embassy Islamabad Pakistan (1)
  • U.S. Embassy Islamabad Phttp://www.blogger.com/img/blank.gifakistan (1)
  • U.S. Embassy Libya (1)
  • U.S. Embassy Lusaka (1)
  • U.S. Embassy Mexico City (2)
  • U.S. Embassy Sarajevo (1)
  • U.S. Embassy Tunis (1)
  • U.S. Embassy Valletta (1)
  • U.S. Peace Corps (2)
  • U.S. State Department (1)
  • UK (1)
  • Unabomber (2)
  • Uncle Omar (3)
  • United Nations (2)
  • Unredacted (2)
  • Uzbekistan (1)
  • Vietnam (1)
  • Vladimir Putin (1)
  • Washington DC (1)
  • White House Leaks (1)
  • Wikileaks (13)

Blog Archive

  • ►  2013 (40)
    • ►  September (1)
    • ►  August (9)
    • ►  July (2)
    • ►  June (1)
    • ►  May (10)
    • ►  April (4)
    • ►  March (2)
    • ►  February (5)
    • ►  January (6)
  • ►  2012 (138)
    • ►  December (4)
    • ►  November (3)
    • ►  October (12)
    • ►  September (5)
    • ►  August (11)
    • ►  July (10)
    • ►  June (12)
    • ►  May (19)
    • ►  April (15)
    • ►  March (10)
    • ►  February (15)
    • ►  January (22)
  • ▼  2011 (267)
    • ►  December (14)
    • ►  November (13)
    • ►  October (14)
    • ►  September (19)
    • ►  August (29)
    • ►  July (25)
    • ►  June (18)
    • ►  May (25)
    • ►  April (25)
    • ▼  March (25)
      • Al Qaeda's Number 3 Is Back, And This Time He's Li...
      • A Fitting Inspiration
      • Unemployed Diplomat Finds Work
      • Diplomatic Security 2010 Year In Review
      • "In Kinetic Military Action, Truth Is The First Ca...
      • State Department Voted An Ideal Employer
      • Minor Bomb Attack At Chilean-North American Cultur...
      • Living Under 'House Arrest' In Mexico
      • U.S. Ambassador To Mexico Resigns His Post
      • Raymond Davis Is Released A Second Time
      • Remain Calm!! All Is Well!!
      • H. R. 1006, Jerusalem Embassy and Recognition Act ...
      • Cui Bono? Cui Cares?
      • Raymond Davis Released, But The Round Ended 'Advan...
      • Doesn't There Come A Point Where You Have To Make ...
      • P.J. Crowley Resigns Over Comment About Bradley Ma...
      • Kudos To American School In Japan For Exemplary Di...
      • Gaffes and Guns (Or, What To Do About Libya?)
      • Raymond Davis Case A Symptom Of Deeper Pakistani-A...
      • A Bill of Rights You Can Sing
      • Ten Border Gang Members Charged In 2010 U.S. Consu...
      • "Not The Best Security" In Tripoli (And Elsewhere)
      • U.S. Ambassador to Mexico Another Wiki-Casualty?
      • "This Is Coming To You, Buddy"
      • UN Does The Time Warp Again
    • ►  February (32)
    • ►  January (28)
  • ►  2010 (55)
    • ►  December (37)
    • ►  November (18)
Powered by Blogger.

About Me

Unknown
View my complete profile